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After my ARA "fixed deposit" has been redeemed, what remains is my original investment which I paid $1.00 to $1.32 a share for. Although the offer of $1.78 would mean a 35% to 78% capital gain, I would be losing a very consistent and meaningful source of passive income.
A yearly 5c dividend per share (DPS) gives me a yield on cost of 3.78% to 5% and from a growing business with a very strong balance sheet too. At $1.78 a share, a 5c DPS gives a dividend yield of 2.8% which is still pretty decent considering the fact that ARA pay out only about half of their earnings as dividends. As an investor for income, naturally, I would like to continue receiving dividends from companies such as ARA.
With an impressive full year 2016 performance, I am even more reluctant to let go of my investment in ARA now. So, I have decided not to accept the offer. See presentation slides: HERE.
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AK:
I get these sometimes too. I just block them immediately.
If can make 15-18% a month or 180%-216% annually, i think he should borrow from the bank and trade himself.
i usually just accept FB fren request becos 99% of my FB frens are not frens
i thought got ho kang tao mah. hahaha . play with him awhile then i block
i just block if turns out to be soliciting for XXX or XXXX or XXXXX...
u big buaya la diff
u so free lor
show trading records liao. i eat finish lunch eat snake
ROFL. i go watch k drama.... will nap later... 88
88
yawn
song lah wake up liao. Siesta damn song
yes, it was a very nice nap
song i just abt to leave office nia. Steady leh 180% returns the guy say his strategy can make. I am impressed he gave me 2015 n 2016 numbers hahaha. Seriously such lousy scam still exists
you banned him liao, i suppose
Banned, just now tempted to see what the impressive strategy is all about He immediately ask me how much I can invest Haha
LOL. Wonder how many victims liao
U think got ah Gong go invest in him? Pretty obvious leh
Reader: wonder how aggressive you are at aiming dividend % yield when you were younger. Because I realized that recently you are pretty content with 5% yield or lower.
When we invest for income, a higher yield is naturally attractive but we want to exercise caution. We should avoid the instant gratification of yield. (See related post at the end of blog post.) Be aware of our motivations and know what we are investing in. Then, we will know if our motivations and the investments match up. Remember the pyramid:
There are investments for income and investments which are for a mix of income and growth.
Investments for income should be steady cash generators for us. The emphasis here is more on stability. They are bond like in nature. As they are less likely to deliver any significant growth, demanding a more meaningful dividend yield makes sense. However, greater emphasis should be on stability for whatever timeline we are looking at.
Investments for a mix of income and growth should also be steady cash generators. They could deliver significant growth over time and it makes sense to pay out less to shareholders as they need more financial resources to grow. So, if we are investing in such businesses, we might have to accept a lower dividend yield. This could change in future as the business matures and starts paying out a lot more in dividend. Most of my investments are for income but I also have investments for income and growth such as Hock Lian Seng, Old Chang Kee, Wilmar etc. A more recent example would be Centurion.
What is an acceptable level of dividend yield? The answer will depend on what we are looking for from an investment. Related post: Instant gratification of yield.
I recently added Centurion Corporation Limited to my investment portfolio at 38c a share and I am pleased to learn that I will be rewarded with a dividend per share (DPS) of 1c which is payable on 19 May 2017. An annual DPS of 2c could be the new norm for Centurion Corporation Limited if their business continues to do well, well enough to offset any increase in interest expense. If this should be the case, I would be enjoying a dividend yield of 5.26% on cost and for a growing business too.
I mentioned in my last blog on Centurion Corporation Limited that, although manageable, its high level of borrowings is a concern. To allay concerns, its operational cash flow must remain strong. At the time, I said its interest cover ratio was 3.4x and that it could weaken to 2.55x if interest rate should increase by 1%. So, this is something I will keep an eye on as Centurion Corporation Limited reports its quarterly results for 2017 in the coming months. We want to see that its level of debt remains manageable. Related post: Added Centurion Corporation Limited.
Once upon a time, OCBC 360 together with the OCBC Frank credit card, was my favourite combination to get higher interest income on my savings.
I just had to spend $400 with my Frank card and pay 3 bills online and I would get a 2% interest rate on my savings. With no monthly salary to credit into the account, that was the best I could do.
Then, the benefits were revised and suddenly my interest income, everything else remaining the same, halved! So, I junked the combo and cancelled the Frank card.
Now, this doesn't mean that the OCBC 360 is not good for others, especially those who have a monthly salary to credit into the account.
However, with the latest revisions, it is probably not as good as before.
The impression I get is that OCBC wants us to save more but is paying us less to do so.
Forget about the "Wealth" and "Save" boxes. "Salary", "Payment" and "Spend" are what most people hit.
So, after the revision, we would receive 1.8% in bonus interest whereas we were receiving 2.2% before.
Of course, the original OCBC 360 would have paid 3.0% for the same 3 conditions!
3.0% to 2.2% to 1.8%.
Alamak and I thought interest rates are rising. I must be growing old and senile.
Of course, for people without a monthly salary to credit, it would have reduced from 2% to 1% to 0.6%. This is after meeting two conditions too. Duh!
Most of my savings is with CIMB Star Saver now because they pay 0.8% up to the first $750K. I don't have to use their cards or pay bills online to be paid 0.8%.
If OCBC wants me to save more with them, they should make it easier and more rewarding for me to do so.
Warren Buffett on Interest Rates & Valuations. Many people ask me what is a fair price for QAF Limited. Obviously, all of us will have our own answer. Of course, depending on Mr. Market's mood, share price could go higher or lower. There is no accounting for prices or so I have heard people say. What we can try to find out is the intrinsic value to help us make sense of the price offered by Mr. Market. After all, price is what we pay and value is what we get. I decided to play around with some numbers to see what QAF Limited's intrinsic value should be using Discounted Cash Flow (DCF), a process which is made much easier using an online calculator I found: http://www.moneychimp.com/articles/valuation/dcf.htm I will try to be more conservative because I don't know all there is to know. Instead of entering earnings per share (EPS) as 10.9c, I will enter 10c. In scenario 1, to be even more conservative, I assume zero growth in QAF Limited's earnings and a risk free rate of 3% which is a bit higher than what is offered by a 30 years bond issued by the Singapore Government now. The risk free rate is what I am going to use as the discount rate for DCF calculation.
Stock value per share: $3.33 In scenario 2, to be even more conservative, I assume a higher interest rate environment with a risk free rate of 5%. Again, I assume zero growth in QAF Limited's earnings.
Stock value per share: $2.00 In scenario 3, to be more realistic, I will assume some growth in earnings. After all, QAF Limited's EPS has grown over the last few years. I will use a risk free rate of 5% in this scenario for that conservative element.
Stock value per share: $2.50. Now, is QAF Limited's fair value at least $2.00 a share? You blur? Don't look at me. I am only a blogger. What do I know? Read more about DCF: HERE. Related post: What is QAF Limited really worth?
Reader: I want to thank you... A friend shared your 4d pick at a gathering... I am a gambler and I bought the most... I have never won so much money gambling before... He told me to top up my CPF but I have been thinking of buying a car...
AK: Welcome to my blog. I will not tell you not to buy a car if you are one of the following: #1 If you NEED a car and if you have the money for the upkeep, buy it. Upkeep? Yes, road tax, insurance, maintenance. You know. Upkeep. Paying for fuel, parking and ERP are just the smaller expenses.
#2 If you are able to make more money from owning a car, why not? If you are an UBER driver renting a car now, for example, you could save (what an UBER driver told me) $70 a day in rental. That works out to be $2,100 in a 30 day month! That's a lot of money.
#3 If you have enough money today to last you till the day you die without having to work another day of your life, if you WANT a car, what's stopping you? Hey, Y.O.L.O. See? AK is not unreasonable nor extreme like what some people say. Now, if you are none of the above, what do you do? Don't buy a car! Why not consider this instead?
The CPF Full Retirement Sum (FRS) is now $166,000. So, you are allowed to top up your CPF-SA to $166,000.
30 years from now even if there should be no more contribution to your CPF-SA from today (i.e. if you stop working today), compounding at 4% per annum, you would have $538,403.99 at age 55. Then, after setting aside the prevailing FRS in your CPF-RA, you could withdraw the rest of the money if you like. 10 years from then, at age 65, you would also get a monthly income for life.
Oh, the calculation above did not take into consideration the additional 1% interest paid on the first $40K in your CPF-SA. Aiyoh, never mind lah. 1%? That is small money when you are rich, right? Kidding! 100% win rate. There is no easier way for a gambler to win money. Believe it!
I have a few savings accounts but my most used accounts are the following three:
1. POSB Despite the low interest rate for my savings, I am holding on to my POSB account mainly because I have had it since I was a boy and I feel comfortable with it. I have many arrangements tied to this account and it would be a bother to terminate it. The most important function of this account for some time now is to make and receive payments for my stock market transactions.
2. UOB The UOB ONE account provides me with higher interest income. Since I am unemployed, I don't have any salary to credit. So, the higher interest rate offered by OCBC360 and BOC to do this doesn't apply to me. With UOB ONE account, the most important criterion is spending on the UOB ONE card. I just have to charge $500 a month to the UOB ONE Card. I do spend money despite what some might think. I keep slightly more than $50,000 in this account.
3. CIMB I know many are worried about Malaysian banks. I was worried too but I did some research into CIMB and decided that it is well run enough although it still pales in comparison to Singaporean banks. I like how it offers a flat 0.8% interest on savings per annum (on the first $750,000) and I like the free cheque book. Yes, I am an IT dinosaur and still write cheques. I keep the bulk of my savings in this account.
I know some are worried about how having more money in the bank means money is rotting away to the extent that they do not keep an emergency fund but I think the majority of us would probably be quite happy to see more money in our savings accounts. When I shared my investment results for FY 2016, I said I added to a few positions (See related post at the end of this blog.)
When I logged into my POSB account just now, I saw a balance which is a little bit more than what I would maintain usually. The total value of the stocks that I sold must be higher than the total value of the stocks I bought in recent times. Related to this, I decided to see exactly how much money came in and how much went out for the whole of 4Q 2016 and the current year to date: Outflow: $284,370 Inflow: $320,090 Net inflow: $35,714 Why am I sharing this? I just feel like it, I guess. Nothing profound.
If you manage to get something useful from this blog, I am glad.
However, we should not read too much into the musings of a mental investor who blogs as a past time.
Related post: Full year passive income from non-REITs. * With the rather substantial run up in APTT's unit price since December last year, I decided to reduce my investment in APTT today, retaining only the legacy position from its MIIF days. Some might remember that I added to my investment in APTT on the assumption that a DPU of 4c is more sustainable than 6.5c and at 37.5c a unit, I was looking at a 10.66% distribution yield from a heavily leveraged entity. Now, it has come down to 8%.
As a more sustainable 8% distribution yield could be found in some less heavily leveraged entities, I am selling APTT at a price I would not buy at. Hence, the net inflow of funds revealed earlier will see an increase in the next two days, everything else remaining equal.
Gardenia is providing the best that consumers deserve! Impressive! QAF Limited has announced a 129% increase in full year net profit. A final dividend per share (DPS) of 4c has been declared. Total DPS for the year is 5c. Why the big jump in net profit? There is an exceptional item which accounts for almost $60 million worth of income. Earnings per share (EPS) for the full year 2016 is 21.4c. Excluding the exceptional item, EPS is 10.9c which is still a very decent 16% increase over 9.4c from the year before. I have said before that QAF Limited should trade at a PE ratio of at least 14x. However, if what happened at Auric Pacific is any gauge, QAF Limited should trade at a higher PE ratio. Shareholders of Auric Pacific (think Sunshine bread) received an offer price of $1.65 a share in early February. I said then that the offer valued Auric Pacific at about 18.3x PE ratio. Based on Auric Pacific's full year results released a few days ago, a full year EPS of 5.74c means that the offer price of $1.65 valued Auric Pacific at 28.7x PE ratio! (See announcement: HERE.) I have also found out that leading packaged bread bakeries in Thailand and the USA trade at 19x and 23x PE ratios, respectively. Based on all these comparisons, QAF Limited even at $1.55 a share is still inexpensive. At 18x PE ratio, it should trade at $1.96 a share. Of course, I do not know if Mr. Market is willing to pay $1.96 a share for QAF Limited and, frankly, this is more of an academic exercise for me. After all, I am more interested in collecting dividends from well run businesses. In January, QAF Limited announced plans to expand their operations in the Philippines, a market which is doing very well for them. All else remaining equal, they are likely to do even better once their expansion in the Philippines is completed in the next 2 years. What is QAF Limited really worth? Don't ask me. I am just a blogger. What do I know? See results: HERE. Related post: Good entry price for QAF Limited?
"I am very new to investing and am learning a lot from your blog. May I seek your advice on whether to buy/sell XXXX? I have recently bought XXXX shares at $X.XX and am worried about their involvement with XXXX. Should I sell or hold?"
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I remembered you mentioned ST Engineering in one of the session (Evening with AK and friends) a couple of years back (2015) and shared that through one of your readers, you have a greater understanding of their business model.
At that point, you mentioned you would look at entering the market if it goes below $2.9 per share, it was hovering around $3.2.
It was my first time attending your session so my memory is pretty hazy. But I am hoping if you can shed more insights in how you look at valuing ST Engineering? I managed to scoop a little shares at $2.7! :)
Thanks, YC
AK says... Hi YC,
That was probably many moons ago. $2.7 a share is a very good price. I would hold on to it. ST Engineering is a good income generating asset. :)
I shared how I valued ST Engineering using PE ratio before. I said this towards the end of 2014 when ST Engineering was trading at $3.30 a share:
Best wishes, AK Although I continue to be invested in ST Engineering because I like the consistent and meaningful dividends, to add to my investment, I will not pay more than a 20x PE ratio.
With FY16 earnings per share (EPS) at 15.6c, that means I would not pay more than $3.12 per share.
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